On this insightful episode of our technology-focused podcast, host Antony Savvas, Worldwide Expertise Editor, delves into the evolving panorama of the Web of Issues (IoT) and Synthetic Intelligence (AI) with business knowledgeable Gabriel Salvate from BICS. They discover the idea of ‘connectivity twins’ and its pivotal position in environment friendly operations inside numerous sectors. Gabriel sheds mild on the mixing of AI and information analytics in IoT, reworking mundane objects into sensible, interconnected methods. Plus, get a glimpse into the longer term with a dialogue on Amazon’s modern drone supply system.
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[00:00:00] Antony Savvas: Hello, welcome to our newest Web of Issues and communication providers podcast. That is Antony Savvas, Worldwide Expertise Editor, accompanied by a definite business visitor. As we speak, the principle matter we’re speaking about is the environment friendly operations round connectivity twins. We’ll even be speaking about one other key growth within the communication business, and we’ll end our dialogue with some mild hearted business information that has surfaced.
As we speak’s podcast is sponsored by BICS. BICS was established practically twenty years in the past, and it supplies communication service suppliers and enterprises with easy accessibility to digital communications, trusted fraud prevention, and analytics, together with IoT and 5G international connectivity. It has headquarters in Europe and groups all around the world.
That’s BICS.com. Once more, I’m Antony Savvas. I’ve been overlaying the networking in telecom house constantly for the final 25 years, working as a author and editor for main worldwide know-how magazines and web sites. I’m at the moment a contributing editor for each IoT Now and communications service supplier title Vanilla Plus, a sister title of IoT Now.
My visitor at this time is Gabriel Salvate from BICS. So Gabriel, what’s your job at BICS and what do you do there?
[00:01:29] Gabriel Salvate: Hey, Antony. Thanks very a lot for inviting me for the session.
[00:01:34] Antony Savvas: It’s a pleasure.
[00:01:35] Gabriel Salvate: I’m a senior supervisor targeted on the IoT journey mobility and cell personal community at BICS. I’ve been working on this market since 2008. And it’s going to be a pleasure to speak with you at this time.
[00:01:50] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So getting on to virtually, nicely, 16 years that shall be quickly, received’t it, Gabriel?
[00:01:56] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate.
[00:01:57] Antony Savvas: Okay. Earlier than we go on to our fundamental matter of the day, discussing the connectivity twin, we’ll discuss one thing else. Gabriel, I perceive you wish to discuss scaling the IoT worth chain with AI and information analytics.
Earlier than I ask you a few questions, I’ll simply put folks within the loop who don’t know an excessive amount of about this. AI and information analytics unlock invaluable insights from the huge information generated from IoT gadgets, enabling information pushed determination making. So, Gabriel, how are these methods to undertake, and might extra be achieved to permit their deployment?
[00:02:32] Gabriel Salvate: That’s an excellent query. However earlier than I’ll begin answering this one let’s simply go shortly to fundamental ideas of IoT and AI.
[00:02:41] Antony Savvas: That’s truthful sufficient, Gabriel, yeah.
[00:02:43] Gabriel Salvate: I prefer to say that IoT is about turning common objects into sensible objects by giving them the flexibility to speak with one another and with us.
And naturally, IoT it’s not a product, not an answer. IoT is an ecosystem. There are some research concerning the amount of layers it could have, however I’d say there are three fundamental ones. So the primary one is the {hardware}, which now we have sensors and actuators, then now we have the connectivity. It may very well be LAN.
It may very well be WAN native wire community, wi-fi space community. And now we have the appliance. Once we go to the AI half, AI just isn’t one thing actually new. It’s a broad discipline of laptop science that goals to create machines or, I’d say, methods which can be able to performing duties that sometimes require human, I’d say, intelligence you recognize, these duties embrace studying, reasoning, drawback fixing, understanding lateral language, perceptions. And the nice half is that any further that the adoption of AI, information analytics along side IoT can deliver vital advantages that we are going to discover through the session at this time.
[00:04:07] Antony Savvas: Okay, thanks very a lot for that nice define out of your aspect Gabriel. That was very useful for the listeners. So going again to how, you recognize, whether or not these, methods are simple to undertake or not. Can extra be achieved to permit their deployment in the event that they’re not that simple to deploy, I ought to say.
[00:04:25] Gabriel Salvate: Properly these days, 80% of the purposes are hosted in cloud. So the principle problem from an IoT machine is how this information will be shared or how they’ll fill it, the, the cloud system. So mainly firms, the tech firms reminiscent of AWS, Microsoft and others. They’ve a sort of host that may get this information and every of their methods there are some once more, there’s the cloud ecosystem and a part of this ecosystem. They’ve the machine studying instruments, they’ve AI instruments and and so on. That can be utilized to course of this information. And one good instance is the predictive evaluation. So these days everybody has been speaking about that. And I really consider that is worth added and one thing simple that may be applied utilizing or combining these two options.
[00:05:21] Antony Savvas: Yeah. Simply confirming IoT mixed with AI can predict gear failures, decreasing operational prices and downtime, for instance, and bettering service reliability typically. What’s the present take up of such options and which business verticals, as an example, are utilizing them probably the most? Is take up at the moment low general?
[00:05:42] Gabriel Salvate: Properly we do see an enormous variety of folks engaged on these verticals, evaluating how one can mix each options. In fact, there are some industries on the forefront of adopting this. Some good examples are, I’ll say the primary one, it’s on the manufacturing aspect. Then now we have fleet administration, telematics, sensible cities and there’s a good instance that I simply noticed not too long ago to emphasise what I’m saying.
So once we are speaking about sensible cities. AI now can analyse site visitors patterns in actual time and alter site visitors alerts timing to optimise the site visitors move. And naturally, on this site visitors alerts, there are some IoT gadgets getting the information and sharing the information within the cloud. So there are a variety of good issues taking place.
However once more, these are the three and we can also add well being care as one other good one.
[00:06:43] Antony Savvas: So… healthcare, how vital is that? Is that an essential space for BICS?
[00:06:48] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, we’re mainly all the pieces that’s in motion as we’re a, a house and supplier and individuals are at all times in motion, I’d say it’s a goal for us. However greater than that, we, we care about folks and the way this information shall be shifting from an individual to assistant and ensuring that these folks shall be secure.
[00:07:12] Antony Savvas: Sure. Okay, so we’ve lined some main factors there, Gabriel. What’s the BICS story in all this relating to, for instance, let’s begin with AI. The place is the corporate with AI? Has it made a variety of progress with that?
[00:07:26] Gabriel Salvate: That’s an fascinating query as a result of each time that we’re creating a brand new product at BICS, we attempt to perceive the problematic. And once we had been discussing how one can implement AI in our options, how one can strategy, how one can work with these firms, the principle query we had on the desk was, how can I get my machine and connectivity information into my utility that’s hosted within the cloud. After which we determined to supply or to create an answer that mainly is a one click on resolution to ship the connectivity and IoT machine information into the general public cloud in a scalable means. That’s that’s essential to emphasise. However greater than that in a safe approach to resolve a variety of complexities of doing protocol conversions or delivering that information into the general public cloud.
So, mainly, we had been wanting on how one can unlock alternatives. So mainly now you may have, for instance, a 360 machine administration view. You are able to do sooner troubleshooting. You may have an finish to finish safety view. So a few of these advantages are extraordinarily essential, however… Going into your query by way of use circumstances particularly on the IoT aspect.
We all know that the battery life cycle is without doubt one of the fundamental nightmares for builders and and so on. And utilizing the sort of resolution, we are able to, for instance, predict the battery life for low energy huge space gadgets, or we are able to establish when the machine firmware ought to be up to date and issues like that.
In order that’s once more, a pleasant merge of the options and utilizing our resolution connectivity twin, we are able to permit clients to do the sort of stuff.
[00:09:27] Antony Savvas: That’s, that’s that feels like there’s some good progress being made there on the firm. In order that’s good to listen to. As a result of clearly everybody’s received an AI story. And the very last thing we wish to hear is what I’d name as AI washing. Similar to greenwashing on the subject of the surroundings. It seems to be such as you’re making some actual progress there, Gabriel.
[00:09:44] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. So once more, the principle goal is to create, in our surroundings, as I mentioned, now we have the {hardware}, now we have the connectivity, now we have the appliance. And generally builders, they need to handle totally different purposes from totally different distributors. So, and this brings a variety of complexity and that mentioned. So the thought right here is, after all, we’re promoting for builders as a result of BICS is a, it’s a B2B firm and a part of our goal is to enhance I’ll say buyer journey, proper? And the client journey on the developer aspect, and if they’ll purchase time, if they’ll optimize their resolution, if they’ll predict one thing utilizing our merchandise.
That is what we’re in search of.
[00:10:28] Antony Savvas: And one other space, I think about that, you recognize, 5G has a serious position in all this, placing all of the essential items collectively and supporting them.
[00:10:37] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. Sure. 5G is, I imply one of many fundamental benefits to have IoT gadgets working on 5G it’s not solely concerning the downloads, the add charges, and, and so on. So right here we’re speaking about latency. However the 5G will permit gadgets to course of excessive or large quantity of information and on the opposite aspect you need to have or you have to have methods that may predict actual time choices, proper?
[00:11:08] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So by way of actual time determination making that’s essential in these eventualities. What kind of progress as an organization have you ever achieved in actual time determination making to really assist the companions and the tip clients there?
[00:11:23] Gabriel Salvate: Principally one of many, I’d say the, pillars of the AI is to optimize the choice making course of. In fact, if you end up creating a product, you want to deal with how optimize operational prices, reduce downtimes and, and so on. Now with 5G, and BICS has been investing lots on 5G standalone, in order that’s one thing essential to spotlight. We do see an enormous variety of IoT gadgets utilizing the sort of know-how, as a result of then you may transact an enormous quantity of information, after which, act and react as fast as potential. It’s extraordinarily essential. In order that’s one other good instance of what IoT and AI can do collectively.
[00:12:06] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and general, I imply, we talked about scalability on the finish. Folks, you recognize, listening to this might be considering, nicely, if, if I am going into this area and I wish to check issues, how do I truly, scale it as much as make it commercially advantageous to my firm? How can BICS, you recognize, assist these organizations with their scaling up of this know-how?
I think about you’ve received the assist networks, the interior experience to assist them do this.
[00:12:32] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, that’s appropriate. What BICS does and it’s essential to emphasise. At BICS now we have two huge teams. We have now the Telco group, which we’re engaged on the 5G standalone promoting these options for MNOs. On the, on the enterprise aspect, BICS is connectivity supplier. So we’re a part of the ecosystem.
So, by way of enabling clients to have the perfect connectivity by way of efficiency and and so on. However now we’re going one step past, so we’re working with the cloud suppliers to supply the answer by the connectivity twin. So right here once more, we are able to discuss stability, scalability on two totally different eventualities.
We will search for the connectivity perspective. So BICS owns the complete infrastructure and on the cloud aspect, which gamers have been utilizing firms reminiscent of AWS and Microsoft or others, we’re a part of it. In order that’s the 2 methods we are able to work. Ensuring the builders or the corporate can have the perfect resolution for, for it.
[00:13:40] Antony Savvas: That’s nice. In order that was an excellent introduction to the podcast with our first matter there. We’re now going to maneuver on to the principle matter. So thanks for that first half, Gabriel. We’re going to be speaking about connectivity twins. Now, simply to kind of set the scene right here for the viewers, talking of digital twins usually, a digital twin is mainly software program illustration from sensors.
With digital twins, the thought is {that a} digital twin of an present product, for instance, is maintained with consistently collected manufacturing and enterprise information. That’s the overall idea of digital twins. What we’re speaking about right here at this time Gabriel, isn’t it? Is the connectivity twin. And we had the topic of how can I get my machine and connectivity information into my utility that’s hosted within the cloud?
So should you may simply clarify to the viewers, Gabriel, what are we speaking about once we discuss a connectivity twin?
[00:14:35] Gabriel Salvate: Good. Okay. So let’s assume in three huge blocks. We have now the digital twin utility, proper? Then now we have the connectivity which buyer can use BICS connectivity. After which the thought is: how can I deliver connectivity information within the cloud, simplifying the complexity of it? In order that’s the that’s the primary half.
So mainly connectivity twins, it’s a digital illustration of machine connectivity properties, proper? So on the connectivity, there are a number of gadgets that may be analysed and this let’s say this. Infos shall be accessible for customers in a bidirectional means to allow them to learn, they’ll test, they’ll act, and and so on.
So in brief, you may deliver connectivity information straight to the digital twin platform. In order that’s the very first thing. The second you may translate, them into an comprehensible language for our buyer, as a result of once we are speaking once more, utilizing the battery life cycle administration. So, right here now we have gadgets reminiscent of DRX, PSM operator hat, and et cetera.
So we’re speaking about advanced, gadgets that may be simply introduced in a dashboard for purchasers. And the third one is to supply precisely a wise connectivity dashboard. So in brief they are going to have the connectivity information within the cloud. The info it’s going to be translated in easy phrases by dashboards, that’s I’d say the idea of the product. The great half is that may run in AWS and Microsoft, which represents, I’d say, 90 p.c of the purposes.
[00:16:34] Antony Savvas: That’s proper. So what different advantages for the customers are there from this manner of working offered by BICS and its companions? What different issues come to thoughts? I think about you’re considering of, what are the listeners asking right here? What are the issues they’ll be screaming for?
So far as you’re involved. Is BICS addressing the problems our viewers are most likely desirous about there by way of what their wants are with this connectivity resolution?
[00:16:59] Gabriel Salvate: Properly, there are a number of gadgets that may be lined. I’d say the primary one is that you could choose robotically community with higher protection, proper? So one of many issues we offer, it’s a multi-IMSI and utilizing this resolution, you may select the perfect one.
The second, we all know, is that clients are extraordinarily involved about fraud. Safety is without doubt one of the subjects, so mainly right here you may block connectivity in case of suspected fraud. The third one I’ve highlighted earlier than is you may have the flexibility to establish when the machine ought to be up to date when the firmware ought to be upgraded, for instance and we’re speaking about low energy huge gadgets like slim band IoT, LTE-M, cat-m you may predict the battery life. In order that’s these 4 gadgets are extraordinarily essential within the IoT state of affairs. And to finalise greater than that, you may haven’t solely the connectivity information however you may as well have the machine information working within the single or in the identical platform, the only pane of glass. That’s one other fascinating factor about this product.
[00:18:17] Antony Savvas: So simply, simply so I’ve received this proper. So utilizing this resolution BICS clients can handle all their IoT gadgets to achieve management to enhance the general high quality of service and information safety for his or her clients. Is that, that is what we’re doing right here. Yeah.
[00:18:33] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. It’s completely appropriate.
[00:18:35] Antony Savvas: Okay. That’s nice to know. And is it proper that you simply get the whole image by managing your connectivity and gadgets from a single platform, successfully, is that appropriate?
[00:18:46] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. Then, as a result of in brief, we are able to I’ll say unlock new alternatives for purchasers as a result of now they’ve a DMP, a tool administration platform working in a single aspect. They’ve the connectivity administration platform working in one other aspect. In order that they do the interactions or the integrations by way of APIs.
However any further, they are going to have the flexibility to have each gadgets working collectively, after which it will assist them to have the 360 machine administration view. So that you don’t must spend time on product integrations and that’s it. As I mentioned, it’s going to be a one single click on integration. That’s it.
Principally we’re serving to them to purchase in time.
[00:19:24] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So simply, I’ve received this proper as nicely. So successfully, BICS clients combine their digital twin with all of the connectivity metadata of their SIMs or eSIMs to unlock new insights sooner. Is that this all linked to what you’re speaking about right here?
[00:19:39] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, yeah, that’s appropriate.
[00:19:41] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So, Gabriel there are points round you recognize, digital twins and associated to the connectivity twin, the information that’s been generated, it’s going up and up and up, similar to is in all places.
It impacts the IoT business. I’ve been at conferences earlier than. Some folks have defined that the sensors that exist are going to should be developed to really sustain with the processing energy which is producing all this information. The chipsets are getting sooner. The sensors are going to should get sooner.
The quantity of information being generated by firms is getting larger. So the methods should get extra highly effective. As an IoT business, which clearly BICS is a key participant in. How do you assume as an ecosystem the IoT business with BICS can truly sort out these issues with its cloud companions concerning the speeds of the information and the quantity of information?
What comes into your thoughts by way of how we are able to transfer ahead as an business, Gabriel?
[00:20:42] Gabriel Salvate: That’s a wonderful level. Antony. Right here we, we see the applied sciences getting extra mature. So on the connectivity aspect, now we have 5G. Now now we have 5 5G SA. The amount of information that in a sure means must be transacted are growing closely. There are some methodologies which we are able to deal with this information.
Okay, so on the {hardware} aspect now we have the sting computing half. So you may course of the information close to to the sensor. So you will get the information, you may interpret what’s essential or not. Disregard what just isn’t and ship to the subsequent layer what’s essential. On the connectivity aspect because the networks are getting extra highly effective so we are able to be sure that the latency it’s not going to be affected, that the obtain and add charges shall be okay and as quickly as the information arrives Into the cloud system then there’s an ecosystem prepared to organize that.
So simply to do an instance on the AWS and Microsoft, they’ve the IoT core or the IoT hub. So these two methods, they act like a concierge. They are going to get the information and they’re going to distribute internally based mostly on the client utility, after which you may apply machine studying, you may apply synthetic intelligence, you may retailer information, you may merely present the information and disrespect the remainder. So there are some methods to implement this, however it’s an essential truth, and BICS has been investing closely within the community aspect, to ensure we are able to supply the perfect resolution for our clients.
[00:22:30] Antony Savvas: And there’s an extension that very briefly, clearly, I imply, information safety and IoT, it’s a complete new podcast by itself, however briefly once we discuss how the information safety wants are evolving and the way the business can truly take a look at information safety. How do you see the business dealing with that within the medium to long run scenario?
[00:22:51] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, safety if it’s not the primary one is the second matter most mentioned in, in our surroundings. So once more, there are a number of elements the place the safety layers are relevant. Okay, so on the connectivity aspect, there’s a resolution referred to as IoT SAFE, which is an ordinary outlined by the GSMA.
So it’s a root of belief resolution that may be put in straight within the SIM card in an effort to be sure that nobody can have entry to the SIM card itself, proper? There are different ones which you are able to do the identical on the {hardware} aspect, so you may, for instance, apply digital personal networks or personal APNs in an effort to be sure that.
So once more, there are a number of methodologies on how one can deal with this. However in that that’s one of the crucial essential subjects in the mean time.
[00:23:52] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and thanks for these key pointers, Gabriel, possibly we’ll discuss that as a separate podcast within the sooner or later. So, clearly we’ve been fairly detailed about a number of the the overall points, speaking concerning the business typically, and, and going, going into what, you recognize BICS is doing, the way it’s shifting ahead.
It’s essential to ensure we don’t miss something right here. So would you prefer to have every other details about, you recognize, the BICS providing? A few of the key factors which, due to my fault, I haven’t truly delivered to the floor right here. So is there anything you’d prefer to say what BICS particularly is doing with this connectivity twin technique and providing?
[00:24:27] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, I prefer to say that BICS is shifting from connectivity. We use it to be a connectivity supplier and now we’re an answer supplier, proper? So now we have, after all, now we have our core community, so we’re a world MVNO, MVNE. So now we have personal IPX options. We have now regional platforms, now we have NEFB core know-how and and so on.
However once more on this surroundings, it’s at all times essential to grasp what is going on and see how one can adapt your self. So we launched not too long ago two new layers. One is the worth added providers, which now we have eSIM for customers and eSIMs for IoT options. We have now connectivity twin, now we have sensible information, which is I’d say the distinctive and international actual time information analytics platform. We have now options for resellers, now we have the IoT SAFE after which now we have the skilled providers.
So mainly now clients can have, the assist through the growth section from an knowledgeable staff that may assist them throughout the complete course of. In order that’s what we’re doing now. In fact, connectivity twin is without doubt one of the most fascinating tasks that we’re engaged on.
And once more, it’s essential to emphasise that it’s not solely about connectivity, however it’s about how we assist clients on the ecosystem itself.
[00:25:55] Antony Savvas: Okay, nicely thanks for that nice dialogue. I’m positive there are a lot of essential and fascinating items of knowledge for the listeners to digest there. We’ll end at this time with some extra mild hearted business developments. Gabriel one thing has caught your eye and earlier than you, will discuss it, I’ll simply inform the readers the place we learn this.
In it was reported in IoT tech information and different locations to be sincere about Amazon’s plans about increasing their prime edge roaming bundle supply system to worldwide places. Beginning subsequent yr, clients within the UK, Italy. And a 3rd undisclosed metropolis within the U. S. can have the choice to obtain their packages by way of drones.
And we talked about drones originally of our dialog, that a number of the listeners might keep in mind. The present Prime Air service is already operational within the U. S., and it has been for a yr, and it’s been delivering packages weighing as much as 5 kilos with one hour. That’s fairly a key service promise.
Prime Air’s enlargement will embrace the introduction of the MK 30 drone, which can also be a quieter, smaller, and lighter mannequin in comparison with its predecessors. And so it feels like there’s some thrilling information after maybe speaking about this over, um, the previous couple of years. Gabriel, how do you truly see this Trade alternative creating and might you see any difficulties, for instance…
[00:27:22] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. That’s one of many the reason why I like know-how. So we are able to see these issues taking place. And naturally, bettering our lives ultimately of the day. That’s what’s essential. It’s a pleasant instance on how IoT, robotics and synthetic intelligence can work collectively. So you may have a drone that’s managed by somebody, and mainly, you may ship packages remotely. So look, you may have a drone with an enormous quantity of sensors related in a 5G community, taking choices in actual time, sending maybe SMS or message to the tip clients informing that the bundle shall be delivered then you want to be sure that nobody will entry the drone and alter the route.
So safety is, one of many essential subjects. Then you want to be sure that your air site visitors system shall be accessible to have these drones working you recognize, that there are a variety of elements working on the identical kind of undertaking. So this may very well be thought of IoT, robotics, AI, but in addition a part of the sensible metropolis undertaking.
It’s one thing that may assist to enhance our lives, that’s what I like and I really consider that is one thing extraordinarily disruptive and greater than that, we can’t neglect that these drones even have a GPS or satellite tv for pc connections. So that you see a 5G satellite tv for pc on the connectivity aspect, you see cloud, synthetic intelligence, machine studying, taking real-time choices, saving the information, informing the client. Then you may have one other communication platform to save lots of the information, so there’s a bunch of purposes working into the identical ecosystem. It’s actually actually fascinating. And I really consider that is the longer term.
And greater than this, it’s taking place and it’s taking place now.
[00:29:24] Antony Savvas: That’s it. It’s what we name forefront know-how, however then what some folks additionally describe as bleeding edge know-how, and I think about which may be a BICS might wish to get extra concerned when possibly it’s not bleeding a lot. Is that appropriate?
[00:29:37] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, we try to organize ourselves for that. That’s the purpose.
[00:29:44] Antony Savvas: Okay. So I’ll simply inform the listeners now, I imply that’s the tip of podcast that making the factors. However there’s a, there’s a little bit of housekeeping right here. I’ve received to say the very fact there’ll a transcript of essential dialogue right here, the entire podcast and seem on the revealed podcast on our web site, and it’ll verify any hyperlinks that we’ve been speaking about as nicely. I’d additionally um, like to provide the listeners the chance to have the ability to contact you in the event that they needed to Gabriel. So, what can be one of the best ways of them, you recognize, monitoring you down on the web? What, is there any social media platform you’d like to say that they’ll contact you?
[00:30:20] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, I can share my LinkedIn sure. Yeah. I can put right here within the, the chat. https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-salvate-97200429/
[00:30:26] Antony Savvas: So possibly we may put these within the transcript. So should you may provide these we are able to put them within the transcript after which they may simply contact you. Is that truthful sufficient?
[00:30:35] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah. In fact.
[00:30:36] Antony Savvas: Okay. Proper. And so after that very detailed dialogue, it simply stays for me to say thanks very a lot to the listeners for tuning in.
After which, while you see this podcast revealed, should you may use the social media buttons on the revealed podcast to tell us what you considered it. And that simply stays for me to say that’s goodbye from me, Antony Savvas. And Gabriel, it’s goodbye from you, sure?
[00:31:01] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. It was a pleasure to speak with you. Wanting ahead for the subsequent alternative. Thanks very a lot.
[00:31:06] Antony Savvas: Completely. Thanks very a lot. Bye bye all. Bye bye now.
[00:31:09] Gabriel Salvate: Bye bye.
